BUMPERS - Please Give Us Your Input

[Chris Geiger]

We are starting to move forward on building front and rear tubing bumpers for 4Runners and Pickups. We are starting from scratch and looking to hear what you the customer would like to see in a bumper. Rather than offer lots of different models we want to choose one set of design specs and then make bumpers for each year with similar features.

So far the only thing set in stone is that front bumpers will have a winch mount, rear bumpers will attach in 4 places.

Here are some of the options we are considering:
Front 2" receiver
Large pointed stinger
Medium sized flat stinger
Upper headlight tubes
Rear swing out tire carrier option

Please post up ideas you would like to see integrated into the designs. This feedback will be used in making the final design choices. Tell us what you want!

[Shoyrtt]

For a front bumper I agree that it needs a winch mount, upper head light tubes and a small to medium sized stinger. Instead of a front receiver tube, how about two d-rings. :D

I believe there is a picture of a really nice FJ on the back cover (or near the back) of the latest Toyota Owners mag that might be used for inspiration for a truck/runner version of what I describe above. :D
http://www.4wdtoyotaowner.com/images/JanFebcover.jpg

For a rear bumper, protection for the rear corners above the tailights would be good. If you went that route, the rear tire carrier option could be a "swing down" version similar to PSCs' Rubi.
https://www.spydercustoms.com/Bumpers/7981_lg.jpg[/img]

[jimbo88runner]

i would say winch mount, 2 d rings, stinger-i dont know(i like them but its a pain to do engine work) a rear bumper with a spare tire mount would be awesome.. maybe with 2 2 drings as well. would TG be doing 2 seperate rear bumpers? one for runners and one for pickups? bc of the licence plate locations. -jim

edit:
i was thinking if the rear has a tire carrier then it would be covering up the licence plate on a runner therefore it would have to be relocated anyways..

[88WILDRUNNER]

i need a rear bumper with a tire swing and hi-lift rack. and to have a hitch reciver.and 2 d rings would be nice. on the tire swing make a lot of support for the hinge. ive heard round tubing isnt the strongest for a tire swing. some shops have suggested using 2x4 square tubing. well if you guys make an affordable rear bumper ill put an order in for one

[94krawler]

Small flat top stinger, headlight hoops, 2 d-ring mounts. Strong enough to not bend on a slight impact.

Able to fit a wide variety of winchs not just WARNs, Protection around the winch area. I had a huge problem finding a bumper to fit my EPI9k superwinch and broke the motor palte cause there's no protection there.

Flat stock welded into bumper but set back slighty for turn-signals. Setting them back makes it harder to break the lens for the guys that drive their junk to the trails.

I have whats left of a FROR bumper now. Nothing bad against them. NO winch protection, Sides fold in easily and bend you fenders to heck.

The good SOLID mounting if using the plate they sell. 2 strong d-ring mounts.

[tanman2003]

i say make sure it has tabs for turn signals, and make sure that the front bumper attatchment points are alot stronger than allpros. d rings reciver winch and caps on the ends of the tube.

[91Toyota4x4]

I think it's be cool if the bumper was available in steps. Like a base level winch bumper, then the optional stinger, headlight tubes, various points were d-rings can be mounted and a reciever. So basically I'm saying a semi-custom bumper that is still relatively inexpensive.

[John Doe]

2 D rings Front and rear, 2" Reciver rear, Dont care either way about the stinger, Rear swing out Tire carrier would be great, Best approch and departure angel possible would be great.

Oh, and if you need trucks to test these bumpers, sign me up :D

[shoope1]

I think it's be cool if the bumper was available in steps. Like a base level winch bumper, then the optional stinger, headlight tubes, various points were d-rings can be mounted and a reciever. So basically I'm saying a semi-custom bumper that is still relatively inexpensive.

I think this would be nice to have base up but I think what he has in mind is to set up one bumper to have the cost down. That would in turn give the customer a less expensive bumper. just my .02 worth.

Options would be better but would make for them to have a welder on hand to make bumpers.

[Chris Geiger]

We want to maintain our allway in stock policy for the bumpers. I don't want orders sitting for months like at other shops. If an order has not shipped in 24 hours, IT'S LATE!

So what we are looking at is building hundreds of bumpers all at once. We are going to need 4 front models and 4-6 rear models (plus additional Tacoma models later). At a 100 of each style we will be stocking 500-1000 bumpers.

To keep prices low we need to make lots of the same bumper. It's too bad that Toyota changes the bumper mounts about every 3 years. That is why we will have so many different bumpers.

[91Toyota4x4]

I don't mind the stinger and stuff but I wouldn't want a 2" reciever on my front bumper, I just think it looks bad and wouldn't really be nessesary with the d ring mounts.

[the-t-man]

if your gonna do a stinger do med, the big ones are gay and jeeps always have them put some tow points in them,2 d-rings f/and on the rear models as well,if your going to put a winch try in no need for a front reciever, keep that for the rear,put some rock light mount tabs on it,or on top?? customers usally ask for it here??ilike the wrap around s bars from the main hoop to the side markers..are you going to have them complete bolt on?? or some extra mounting points that require a weld on bracket??what kind of spare carrier hindge set upand latch are you going to use??i have buuilt way to many bumpers hurry up so i can just sell yours:)

[rockalot]

Should do the bumpers as barebones basic with all suggestions as add-on upgrades. Probably could have the basic bumpers mass produced and do the add-on work at the shop to order.
I like square & rectangular stock over round. Round looks to SmittyBuilt and pre-runnerish. Of course the stinger should be round.

Front bumper:
Stingers are popular but sometimes in the way. How about making it a bolt-on item to your bumpers.
Receiver at least for those of us towing and using removable winches. I like my bumper flat up close to the truck. Receiver in the bumper looks cleaner than dangling below and strapping from the center is sometimes needed.
Shackle tabs preferred over D-rings.
Light tabs or recessed into the bumper to replace the stock bumper mounted blinkers. Also tabs for larger running lights that position the lights behind the tubing to protect them.
Bumper should wrap around.

Back Bumper:
Wrap around the sides with tie-ins to the frame.
Shackle tabs preferred over D-rings.
Receiver for towing, winching, strapping, bumper dumper :lol:
Swing gate tire carrier with: fuel/water can holders, upright Hi-Lift mount.

On my bumper we also made it an air tank that ties into the tank underneath, more storage and easy access chuck protected by the receiver. It's also a swing gate tire carrier with removable fuel/water can plug-in. Relocated the license plate to the center of the tire. Gate has an integrated lock and the Jerry can plug-in uses a pad lock. Works great at keeping crap out of my bead so I can load it for long camp trips.

Maybe you could make your f/r bumper mounts to accommodate stock to 3" body lifts? Manufacture the bumpers w/o mounts and then sell a bolt on/weld on mount to match the user's lift. Great if someone decides to do a body lift sometime after buying your bumper, all they have to do is order a new mount from you with the proper lift added onto it.

[jtaco1]

One thing that you could maybe do for the rear bumpers is design the brackets for the bumpers to be specific for the different years, but make the bumper more of a universal type deal. I have a Demmello Offroad rear bumper and that is what he does for the Tacomas. The bumper is the same for every year, but the mouting brrackets are different depending on whether you have a body lift or not or any variation in the frame. It's hard to explain, but I could email you some pictures if you like. The design is quite strong and has held up to anyhting I have throuwn at it, as wel as a number of others.

[rocks hurt good]

I dunno if I am crazy or the only one who likes them but what about a stout sheet metal bumper? Of course with the above suggestions: winch plates, light tabs, shackle mount/ D-rings, etc.

[82toycrawler]

Round tube, some sort of stinger, eyes for a shackle (not d rings - to noisy on the trail, can't remove a d ring to put the loop of tow strap through).

Front would be nice to have the option of winch or no winch.

Rear needs a 2" receiver.

Both need enough attachment points so that they actually offer protection and don't just flex into the body.

Oh yeah, I accidently saw the rear tire mount you are working on at your shop a couple of weeks ago, it looks really nice. I think you are definately headed in the right direction.

[91Toyota4x4]

I dunno if I am crazy or the only one who likes them but what about a stout sheet metal bumper? Of course with the above suggestions: winch plates, light tabs, shackle mount/ D-rings, etc.

I do like those too. Especially the looks or the warn one, but they are so damn $$$.. :shock:

[Chancrum]

Front winch mount, 2d-rings f/r and I like the bigger stingers in front. Rear beefy mounting and 2" reciever.

[cancel]

a big ass stinger. I'm looking into a design for my truck right now. I was considering a simple weld-to-my-crossmember hoop, but certain aspects of that present an obvious flaw. shackle tabs are a plus. front winch mount a bigger plus.

the rear should have a tire carrier option for the runners. receiver would also be a good idea. shackles too.

[Shoyrtt]

Oh yeah, I accidently saw the rear tire mount you are working on at your shop a couple of weeks ago, it looks really nice. I think you are definately headed in the right direction.

Chris, any chance you would post a tease picture of the rear tire mount? :D

[gturismo]

I'd prefer DOM over HREW for the rear, since it takes more hits. And a swing out tire carrier would be awesome!

[laoseth]

I dunno if I am crazy or the only one who likes them but what about a stout sheet metal bumper?

Vote #3 right here.
I would also like to vote for a shackle mount vs a D ring. D rings are just another thing to clank around and get stuck on stuff.

As for having only one bumper, there has to be some way to easily add options. If you had 400 bumpers run, and like 300 stingers, how hard would it be to just weld on a stinger, like 4 welds, and now everybody is happy. Plus, for those of us with our own welder, if it was shipped before welding on the stinger, it could be cheaper to ship.

Also, if you have a body lift, its nice to be able to mount the bumper that much higher (more customizability :lol: )

From what I see, those of us that like square/plate style bumpers like our options.
Come through for me guys, I've been bumperless (http://gallery.functionalfab.com/d/1819-2/IMG_3047.JPG) for over a year now, and deer and rocks are getting scary.

[gedean]

First I'd like to see the bumpers made of DOM. If you are going to be building that many you might as well build them of better material.

Second I'm a fan of the modular idea. Build a basic bumper mass produced, and then sell add-ons (like a stinger, d-rings, etc...) that can easily be welded either there at your place, or by the buyer. Everyone wants their truck to be individual and unique, not mass produced. Selling without the add on's would also allow you to sell a rediculously cheap base bumper. Selling the add-ons seperately would also catch on for those that have bought a bumper from others and want certain options (like someone who bought an All Pro front bumper years ago but now wants a stinger).

As for the different mounts on the frames, why not make an adapter, and then one single bumper. Then just include the adapter with the price of the bumper.

I'd really love to see you guys make a good rear tire carrier for 4Runners/Trucks.

[91Toyota4x4]

Nice!!

What kind of $$ are you guys thinking?

[jimbo88runner]

i like it!

[Chris Geiger]

Here is the latest design...

We do not have exact pricing but you won't be disappointed.


http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/rearbumper4.jpg

[88WILDRUNNER]

very good design i really like the double tubing looks stronger

[slug]

i too like that design. Maybe with a bit higher rear corner protection though?any of the rear tire carrier? when do you think these will become available?

[Chris Geiger]

Here is what it looks like with the optional tire carrier.

We are loking at about 6 months for production units.


http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/bumper-tire.jpg

[jimbo88runner]

now i like that alot! :lol:

[AzBearFan]

that looks awesome!! will the tire carrier get a 35" tire up high enough that it won't hurt departure angle?? any plans for jerry can holders??

[Chris Geiger]

We will make the mount so that the tire is as close to the body as possible. We won't know how this affects departure angle until we see it on the truck. We figure we will need to make minor up/down and forward/back adjustments after the first sample is done.

I really want to be able to fit a 37" tire. We are also looking at adding a high lift jack mount. We do not have plans for mounting gas.

[toy87]

Now thats a bumper! the double tube looks good, i finnaly found a bumper that i would buy. can't wait for it to become avialable. For the front, winch mount is a must and i think the d rings would be better than a reviever. hope that one is going to be a good looking as the rear.

[bruiz05]

Chris the design looks great but i think that you are forgetting something, every trail rig and avid offroader knows the importance of having d-rings at the front and rear of there rig. yes, i know that you have a reciver hitch but it nice to have other options too.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

[CO4Runner]

Chris, I love the rear bumper design! I am all over that!!! What kinda money are we asking???

It would have a hilift mount and a CB antenna mount too???

Love it, keep it up guys!!!

[Chris Geiger]

Chris the design looks great but i think that you are forgetting something, every trail rig and avid offroader knows the importance of having d-rings at the front and rear of there rig. yes, i know that you have a reciver hitch but it nice to have other options too.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Not forgetting it all. For rear bumper pulling, I put strap around the bumper and pull on the strap. It's safer to pull this way.

[Chris Geiger]

We are not sure about the high lift, but we are making sample parts for the mount. If it works well on the truck we will consider adding to the bumper.

Antenna mount is a good idea. SWR on the rear bumper would be poor but it would work for short distances on the trail. That's a good idea.


Chris, I love the rear bumper design! I am all over that!!! What kinda money are we asking???

It would have a hilift mount and a CB antenna mount too???

Love it, keep it up guys!!!

[KS Toy]

I think there should be a 2" reciever in both, the front & the rear. They are very strong and accommodate many different types of tie down options. Also, they look good if you make them flush or set back just a little. A stinger for sure. One that sticks up above the hood to protect the rad etc. Maybe something along this line...

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/544000-544999/544077_18_full.jpg

[CO4Runner]

Thanks for the info on the rear updates! I have been struggling over a year for the right rear bumper set up. I am not savvy with a MIG, just enough to make it stick so this will help out! What does SWR mean? Only for short distances?

You guys rock! I am liking the direction the price is headed!

[TEXCRAWLER]

I like tube bumpers but would also like a little inclosure with them and mabey a tire hanger also

[82toycrawler]

Get them out ASAP and they will sell!!

[noddle]

Again, new to a forum and i see things that spark interest...... this design for the rear bumper and tire rack is AWSOME!!!!!!! i only hope that the pickup version will have all options available. i would also like to recommend that you put serious thought into the "Copy" of Doahna Off Road's bed hi-lift Mount. with light and CB/wipe option. this company seems to be on the right track of things.... keep up the good work and the prices down..... and you have my business......

[toywelder]

:D wow thats just what i need i take 1 with tire holder 94 runner i cant whate to see the front bump.

[tattoo]

Could the designer of this bumper tell us a little bit about the praticality, and the stability of this bumper design??? :lol:

[Chris Dunbar]

The bumper is 2”OD x .120” wall DOM or HREW tubing with the exception of the front tube, it is 1.75”OD x .120” wall DOM or HREW tubing. The bumper mounting brackets are 5/16” thick plate.
Body Armor has been incorporated into the design to allow the vehicle to backup or lay onto rocks without resulting in body damage.

High Lift and CB mounts are an option that we are considering, but they are not in the drawings at this time.

D-Ring mounts were also a consideration but it is a much better idea to wrap the tow strap around the bumper, however, the bumper does have a 2” receiver that will accommodate a hitch mounted D-Ring. Wrapping the strap around the bumper will lessen the chance of failure to the tubing. The customer always has the option to modify the bumper to their liking after they receive it.

The receiver safety chain mounting plate is mounted at an angle so not to hinder the departure angle of the vehicle.

The carrier is made of 2”OD x .120” wall DOM or HREW tubing.
The carrier will accommodate up to a 44” tire, but not recommended due to the extreme weight of the tire and wheel.
Tire accommodation size will change with respect to the wheel backside spacing and tire width.
The maximum width from the backside of the wheel to the outer edge of the tire is 6.25”.

If you have any further questions or design suggestions please feel free to post them up and they will be taken into consideration.

[Toxic]

my only question is when is this thing coming out...I want one with tire rack like yesterday :lol:
Looks great...Keep up the good work guys :D

[Crawlin88]

I think DOM would be overkill and more $$, HREW is not any less stronger, its just not guaranteed to be able to tap for threads and the i.d. is barragged with the seen weld on the i.d. and requires more metal prep (and thats only if your trying to do butt weld with backing). Otherwise the cost savings in a HREW over DOM should be a pretty big savings. I think DOM is twice as much as HREW right now..... both designs look awesome IMO. Keep up the good work! 8)

[MITCHELL]

Here is the latest design...

We do not have exact pricing but you won't be disappointed.


http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/rearbumper4.jpg

i never cared for the tubing to lay on top of each other
like on the sides of this bumper
but then what do i know i am just a grid man
looks good though and if the price is anything like the rest of trail gear products its a win win situation

oh Chris to bad i dont live in the Fresno area
i would love to be you new Warehouse Manager

[cheap sunglasses]

Any updates on the front bumper?

The rear looks kinda Smittybilt-ish with the double tube IMO but Ill probably just build my own rear anyway. The front on the other hand I do not have the skills for.

[Irork]

I really like the look of that rear bumper. The stacked tube looks real nice in my opinion. Im gonna have to sell my all pro bumper so i can buy TG's! Keep up the developtment of awsome new products!!

[Mike C]

I would like to see some shackle mounts on the bumper. Most clubs and events require a secure rear recovery point. It is good to see that there will be another rear bumper option out there soon though.

[Toxic]

Any new news on when I can get my hands on one?

[riceburner]

Will the basic rear bumper still allow access to an underneath spare (through the coupler)? How much will they weigh?

[Chris Dunbar]

Bumper: 82 LBS
Carrier: 25 LBS

The bumper/carrier are in the process of being protyped.

[OldSven]

Do you guys have any drawings of what the front bumpers will look like? How much will a rear tire carrier bumper run$$$ Thanks

[Chris Geiger]

We have not done the drawling on the front bumper yet. We are thinking of something we a standard front bar made from 1.75" tubing, winch mount and a stinger.

[eightyfive]

looks nice. i would like to keep my spare underneath the truck... i know that some allpro bumpers for 4runners don't allow you to use the under spare. D rings front and back would be nice.

i think i'll wait to buy a bumper since you guys are in design...if the price is right, you got my business.

[OldSven]

So are there any sneek peaks at the prototype?

[zorack86]

right on i'v been waiting for some one else to come out with bumpers a rear tire carrier would be sweet a front bumper w/o a stinger would be awsome those front arn't my cup of tea some guys like them i think there gay::(

[95toyota]

For the tire carrier couldnt you have it bolt on to a hub assyembly with an extra birf? so if you break somthing you just un bolt your tire and you have the part right there, that way it also gets som spare parts out of the way.. just a thought...

[whlnrunner]

I am looking forward to the bumpers. I like the way things are looking with the designs. I just hope I can wait for them to come out for my 4Runner.
I know you guys are doing mass production to help keep the cost down. Are you guys thinking bout doing any BL applications ?
Alan

[Chris Geiger]

The rear bumper may work with a different set of brackets. We are still working on the design of the front bumpers.

[Marc P]

I really like that bumper... kinda what I had in mind when I had this one made. Looking at your design, I may just have a lower tube put on.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid169/p74c7faa8a0d36a40c790d38ebc6812a4/f414c82e.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/p3ed91c5bc68fccfa5c4e019ac2094112/eff240c6.jpg

[88Runner]

That rear bumper looks great!! You've got my order as soon as it comes out! I agree with you - wrap the strap! D-rings rattle and shackle tabs damage shins! As for the front, I vote for something very similar with light tabs, etc. and a very small stinger.

I also think modular is a good idea. Someone might be able to afford the base bumper this year. Later comes the tire carrier or stinger, or . . . If they can't weld, a local shop can.

[88WILDRUNNER]

id be cool to be able to adjust the hieght of the spare tires. like have it go lower for street driving to see out of the rear window and adjust it to go higher for the trail. that would be a nice feature for us runner guys.

[TheBandit]

http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/rearbumper4.jpg

My suggestion for what it's worth... move the lower hoop section (the tube below the receiver) forward. Having that lower hooop a little forward looks better (IMO), provides additional stiffness for direct pull receiver loads, and also helps the departure angle. You can easily do this by changing the two S bends on either side of the receiver and leaving the rest the same.

I think 2" OD tubing looks too big, especially when doubled up. For single tubing, 1-3/4 looks good and for double up 1-1/2 looks good. I would go smaller. Might also save weight.

Carry on.

[chevota3]

has anybody thought of putting light tabs ne where on the bumpers? and what about building a standard bumper with bolt on options........ 2" recivers, stinger, winch bracket....ect that way everyone could have what they wanted and custimise their own

[hermbo1313]

Any updates on when these will be in production?

[Chris Dunbar]

The bumpers are being prototyped right now.

We will keep you updated as we get new information.

Thanks for all the suggestions and replies. We are taking everything people say into consideration. We are not making the bumper for us, they are for you guys so what you guys ask for is important to us.

Thanks again.

[the-t-man]

are you going to make it complete bolt on? the proto drawing i dont think will work for sliding into the frame rails..

[eightyfive]

make it bolt on in the factory positions....that would be cool. the allpro one needs to be welded to have any strength...

[Chris Dunbar]

The Bumpers will be "bolt-on" to the Toyota factory brackets. However, we do suggest that you put at least a 1" weld for off-road use.

[cheap sunglasses]

any updates on the front bumper?

[riceburner]

I do like the idea of using the factory brackets so that if I hit something hard I might smash the brackets, but I'll be less likely to bend the frame.

[86GAToy]

http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/rearbumper4.jpg


i really like this bumper, its just what i need for the rear, last time i went wheeling before my wreck, i slammed into a tree and the whole drivers side rear of the bed is smashed in, a bumper just like that wouldnt have let that happen...

[Ganoid]

Looks really nice but when can I actually buy one??

[MYota]

it might be nice to have a bumper that could work for different body lifts
I vote for d-rings too

[Cyanwheeler]

What's the news on the release of the front bumper?

[Chris Geiger]

It will be a number of months before we have Toyota bumpers ready to sell.

[jimbo88runner]

:( im sure they will be worth it tho..

[Chris Geiger]

:( im sure they will be worth it tho..


Absolutely! And when we do release them, we will have them in stock and ready to ship.

[zvy1980]

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[rocks hurt good]

How bout having the bumpers out for X-mas or atleast the beginng of the new year? Im ready for some real bumpers for my truck. The sugestion of having the bumpers made for different height body lifts is a good one. Also make the D-rings / shakle mounts an option. Not everybody wants those things making a racket going down the trail. Whats the word of mouth about stingers being street legal? I have heard no. I drive my truck very often and to all my trials, got to keep johnny law off my back. I hope these bumpers come soon.

[Chris Geiger]

We have many new products we expect to be able to release between now and the end of the year but I don't believe bumpers will be finished before then. We still have a lot of work to do on them.

Front bumpers will have stingers. D rings will not be included in our plans. Soon we will post photos of the progress made on our bumpers so everyone can see what we are doing.

I have never heard of someone getting a ticket for having a stinger. I have one on my FJ80 and have driven it for years that way.

[A-D-D]

For a front bumper I agree that it needs a winch mount, upper head light tubes and a small to medium sized stinger. Instead of a front receiver tube, how about two d-rings. :D

I believe there is a picture of a really nice FJ on the back cover (or near the back) of the latest Toyota Owners mag that might be used for inspiration for a truck/runner version of what I describe above. :D

For a rear bumper, protection for the rear corners above the tailights would be good. If you went that route, the rear tire carrier option could be a "swing down" version similar to PSCs' Rubi.


X2 - the PSC design is sick.

[jasonmt]

Have you given any thoughts to those of us that run feet forward winches such as an 8274?? Perhaps an additional bolt in "cradle" about 8" high by 16" wide with some gussets that would let you mount one?

http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/dunbar/dunbar005.jpg

http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/dunbar/dunbar006.jpg

[Chris Geiger]

We are not planning to accommodate the 8274 winch. That really would be a different design.

[91Toyota4x4]

Chris did I read somewhere that you will be offering that winch plate seperately for people who are building thier own designs? Or maybe I made that up.. lol

[Chris Geiger]

Yes we expect to release the winch mount plate later this week.

[91Toyota4x4]

Sweet, I will probably be buying one. Any clue as to how much?

[Chris Geiger]

If your looking at building your own front bumper this mount makes a great starting point. This winch mount bolts on to the six factory holes found on 1984-1988 Toyota Pickups and 1984-1989 Toyota 4unners. Made from 1/4" plate steel. Two inch receiver tubing is also included. Plate is pre-drilled for 5000-9500 low profile winches. Also includes holes for 9.0R Warn competition winch. Designed for use with steel or aluminum hawse fairlead. When building bumper, additional mounting points from bumper to frame are required if used for heavy winching. $99 each.

http://www.trail-gear.com/images/front-winchmount-600.jpg

Here is an example of a bumper created using the winch mount....

http://www.trail-gear.com/images/tg2006-5321-600.jpg

http://www.trail-gear.com/toy-bumper.html

[cheap sunglasses]

Is that pretty much the final bumper design? I love that one, definately gonna be replacing my useless smittybilts.

[Chris Geiger]

Is that pretty much the final bumper design? I love that one, definitely gonna be replacing my useless smittybilts.

Yes it is. We will be adding some tiny brackets to mount the turn signals but the tubes are set and all of us here like the design and shape.

[Loki]

Chris...how about this...you sell me that bumper that was fabbed up, and i'll give you a weekend of work plus cost :read:

[sean]

finding a bumper that will hold up and looks good with winch mount and or with out, w/ stinger w/out stinger. these are some of the things i look for also will it work for 2 or 3 inch body lifts does it have lighting options for turn singals or rock lights d-ring hook ups , all of these things are what i would look for.

[Loki]

hey sean...do much fabrication work? these are the types of things a builder should be able to do to a product like this.

Take into consideration that TG can't produce a bumper for every year model, ever application of body lift. lets say larry has a 1" BL, curly has a 2" BL, and you have a 3" BL, and Mo...well, lets say there's a combination out there that TG doesn't make. If it takes 8 months to design, manufacture and produce a bumper for 1 Generation of Trucks, how long do you think it would take to keep doing the same thing for 3 differant gens, 4 differant makes of vehicles with multiple types of BL? See where i'm going with this.

Or i could be an idiot and they are going to design manufacture and produce 30 differant types of bumpers.

[sean]

yes i have an off-road shop in florida and yes there too many people out there and way too many trucks. you can not make everyone happy but there are you guys that are trying and doing a good job at it. you are one of the top groups that try to give yoda lovers something to weld on or bolt on to.

[sean]

there is not a bumper on the web for a yoda that i have not looked at. all of them are any were from 400.00 to 1,000 dollars. your front winch mount is great becuase it gives anyone the chance to built what we want. it gives any one the head start.

[subliminaltrips]

i dont think it would really matter if you had a body lift because the only thing you would see is a bigger gap between the grill and bumper with the bumper.i may be wrong tho. it might not look as nice with a body lift tho.

[yotaismygame]

the rear pumper looks nice on the computer but in real life i dont thnk the double tube will look that good. thats almost exactly how i was going to make one. i had desighened it about a month ago and it was the same but with out the bottom tube. when are we going to see some more front bumpers. i like the one you made with the winch mount. i think i am going to make one for myself just like that one.

ps i love trail gear

[hooah5]

What is the lastest? I have been waiting for a few months now and I really like the your design. Is it only going to be for up to 88 toys or do you plan on also having it for the 2nd gen guys like me?

[Chris Geiger]

We are moving ahead with production on the 84-88 front bumpers. We will be doing an 89-95 version too, but that will be released after the 84-88 model. It is going to be a few months yet before any of the bumpers will be ready.

[design311]

We are moving ahead with production on the 84-88 front bumpers. We will be doing an 89-95 version too, but that will be released after the 84-88 model. It is going to be a few months yet before any of the bumpers will be ready.

Any plans to sell this as a weld together kit? That way it could be lower cost and much easier to ship. Just wondering :rolleyes:

[Tack427]

Any plans to sell this as a weld together kit? That way it could be lower cost and much easier to ship. Just wondering :rolleyes:

Same thing here, it would be more fun too. Sell it!!

[88WILDRUNNER]

so what is this bumper going to include what ideas are you guys incorporationg into it and is the bumper that is going into production a front or rear bumper

[Chris Geiger]

I am sorry but we have more going on here at the shop then I can possable keep up with. We have a completed a first prototype of the rear bumper now and it looks great. We still need to make some adjustments to it, but it is coming along nicely. I really need to post photos of our progress and I am sorry I have not been able to work faster.

The rear bumper will be available with and without tire carrier. A 2" receiver is included. We are working on the pickup version first. 4Runner version will come later.

Front bumper will be as shown but also include tabs for mounting stock turn signals.

[Tack427]

What about those weld it yourself kits?
Just think about how much cheaper it will be for everyone, Assuming the buyer has a welder and can weld.

[eightyfive]

since the rear bumber is double tube will the front be double too?

[Chris Geiger]

since the rear bumber is double tube will the front be double too?

The front bumper will be a single tube design.

[kamyota]

what about production for first gen trucks?

[Chris Geiger]

what about production for first gen trucks?

Have not had time to look at it yet.

[design311]

What about those weld it yourself kits?
Just think about how much cheaper it will be for everyone, Assuming the buyer has a welder and can weld.

Ditto. Possible or not worth the hassle for you guys??

[Chris Geiger]

Ditto. Possible or not worth the hassle for you guys??

I don't see that much potential savings. Sure it saves time not welding the bumpers together, but then we have more parts to handle and put together as a kit. The labor would be a little cheaper but not that much. We might be able to lower the bumper by $50 doing it that way but is that really worth it? Sure a few people would do it but I think I would. For $50 more I would go for the jig welded bumper that I know will fit.

Also remember that when we roll out with these we will be offering them at a great price.

[design311]

I don't see that much potential savings. Sure it saves time not welding the bumpers together, but then we have more parts to handle and put together as a kit. The labor would be a little cheaper but not that much. We might be able to lower the bumper by $50 doing it that way but is that really worth it? Sure a few people would do it but I think I would. For $50 more I would go for the jig welded bumper that I know will fit.

Also remember that when we roll out with these we will be offering them at a great price.

Okay. Just wondering. Thanks for the response :)

[paradisekid]

Any updates on when the front bumpers will be available for purchase? Thanks

[eightyfive]

GREAT PRICE...i really hope so. alot of **** is over priced.

[subliminaltrips]

yea im kinda in the market for a bolt on bumper myself..

[Ganoid]

Any word on the rear bumper release date??
How about a projected price with or without the tire carrier.
I need to buy something soon...

[Chris Geiger]

We are still months away from releasing bumpers. We are working on them but it just takes time. Sorry I wish we could make them faster.

I can tell you they will be done right and will be the best deal on the market bar none.

[91extcab]

Front winch mount, 2d-rings f/r and I like the bigger stingers in front. Rear beefy mounting and 2" reciever.


AGREED. NICE AND SIMPLE

[TwistedMetal]

Will you be designing any kind of flatbed kit?

[Chris Geiger]

It is not something we are currently working on but we have not ruled it out. It is something we could look at in the future. One problem is there is so much tubing in a bed kit that it is really expensive to ship. Like $100-$200 just for shipping.

[rockslider29]

Whats the latest on release of the front winch bumper?:flame:

[subliminaltrips]

a few months dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[toyotaman22r]

Hopefully these things are affordable. Marlins bumpers arent cheap. I'm sure you guys will make them as affordable as possible...

[Chris Geiger]

You won't be disappointed, I promise you that.

Hopefully these things are affordable. Marlins bumpers arent cheap. I'm sure you guys will make them as affordable as possible...

[Ganoid]

You don't have any photo's of the rear prototype by chance do you?
On a vehicle maybe?
The competition has knocked their rear bumpers down to $249 and its getting difficult to resist the temptation.

[StillCrawlin]

I'd like to see an updated pic of the front and rear .
I understand that yall are busy. But, How much longer???:flame:

[genericposter]

I would sell you my second born for a nice swing out tire carrier/bumper combo. Not that my wife would let me... but we already have one boy. ;)

My main concern about the carrier is just that it is strong enough to hold a 37"+ spare and still take some abuse.

[forplay]

If your looking at building your own front bumper this mount makes a great starting point. This winch mount bolts on to the six factory holes found on 1984-1988 Toyota Pickups and 1984-1989 Toyota 4unners. Made from 1/4" plate steel. Two inch receiver tubing is also included. Plate is pre-drilled for 5000-9500 low profile winches. Also includes holes for 9.0R Warn competition winch. Designed for use with steel or aluminum hawse fairlead. When building bumper, additional mounting points from bumper to frame are required if used for heavy winching. $99 each.

http://www.trail-gear.com/images/front-winchmount-600.jpg

Here is an example of a bumper created using the winch mount....

http://www.trail-gear.com/images/tg2006-5321-600.jpg

http://www.trail-gear.com/toy-bumper.html

So Chris, What's the story on te winch mount is it $99 or $129. They are listed at $129 on the web site, which I think is a bit high.

[forplay]

The front bumper will be a single tube design.

BOO HISS HISS

[bruzer]

I would like to see bolt on applications to start, cause not everyone has a welder and alot of people like to do it themselves. One thing that I really would like to see and haven't yet is some type of skid/slider plate on the rear of the runner bumper. I cant remember how many time's I have hit the back of my runner on rocks and wish it would almost slide off the rock instead of having to drag it off. My factory bumper only lasted a few months of abuse before I was forced to remove it. Now I just slide down the rocks on my tail-gate. :no: If I don't find a bumper I like soon I wont have a tail-gate to protect.

[Hilux]

Rear bumper looks awesome , Chris

[Chris Geiger]

Here are some photos of the current rear bumper prototype...

http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/rbump1.jpg

http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/rbump2.jpg

http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/rbump3.jpg

[88WILDRUNNER]

looks pretty cool, i would recomend tucking the side guards in a little more to the body for a more contored look with the body, and maybe cutting the roll pan more and raising the bumper.

[Lagen Wagon]

Not sure I like the double tubing on the bottom where it wraps around below the tail lights. IMO... If the bottom tube below the reciever that wraps all the way around making the double tube look was cut at an angle....... where it bends up to tube above the hitch and then blended it in, I think it would look a little cleaner ......IMO, once again. Other than that I thnk it looks good.

[CSA]

Maybe it's just the pic, but blocking the license plate like that is an invitation to get hassled by the man--constantly.

[D_Wild]

Man a bumper sure as hell takes a lot of time to make. Its been over a year since talk of making one started and has been months since it was months away from being released! :feed:

[forplay]

Man a bumper sure as hell takes a lot of time to make. Its been over a year since talk of making one started and has been months since it was months away from being released! :feed:

Hear that noise!!

[eightyfive]

when are the 4runner front and rear bumpers going to be made?

[toyotaman22r]

Not sure I like the double tubing on the bottom where it wraps around below the tail lights. IMO... If the bottom tube below the reciever that wraps all the way around making the double tube look was cut at an angle....... where it bends up to tube above the hitch and then blended it in, I think it would look a little cleaner ......IMO, once again. Other than that I thnk it looks good.

i definately agree, blend the bottom tube into the upper one before it goes around under the tail lights. i was thinking about this along time ago but never got around to saying something. thanks for reminding me lagen. I also agree that the sides should be brought in towards the body a little more, seems like they would catch on stuff, and it doesnt look that great. overall good job, I'd buy one for sure, and probably will once their in production.

[Loki]

Hear that noise!!
yeah...sounds like whining to me :psss: :popcorn:

[A-D-D]

Not sure I like the double tubing on the bottom where it wraps around below the tail lights. IMO... If the bottom tube below the receiver that wraps all the way around making the double tube look was cut at an angle....... where it bends up to the tube above the hitch and then blended it in, I think it would look a little cleaner ......IMO, once again. Other than that I think it looks good.

That's a great idea Lagen. I would rather have the design of the front and rear bumpers match. I think your idea is a great compromise and agree that it would look really clean the way you suggested. It would compliment the front bumper more so than the current double tube design - And as a "tube minimalist," I would say less is more with one exception: proportion.

The only aspect of single tube design that I don't like so much is that, some of the time, the tube running the width of the truck is too small. It seems to be out of proportion with the vehicle. No worries here though as TrailGear's front bumper is not one of them because the tube "looks" the right size; the supports that connect the horizontal main and the stinger are smaller, which looks great with the gussets; and because the winch mount adds some visual weight and covers the radiator area, everything comes together. Since the front bumper is perfect IMO, I think that argues strongly for what you have suggested for the rear as a future design option... or even a home mod.

Ultimately, if TrailGear produces single tube, double tube or a mix - I will still probably buy it anyway. I would rather see your idea incorporated into the design though.

[Lagen Wagon]

Yes bumpers definitly need to match. I think running a single tube design in the front and a double tube design in the rear would be like.......walking around with a flip flop on one foot and boot on the other foot. Just would not look right. :no2:

[Loki]

Yes bumpers definitly need to match. I think running a single tube design in the front and a double tube design in the rear would be like.......walking around with a flip flop on one foot and boot on the other foot. Just would not look right. :no2:
damn...so i should go find another boot to put on then ? lol you guys are onto something here and i like it. i guess we'll have to wait and see what they put out. hopefully it will match, if not...tube bender time ;)

[A-D-D]

Chris - Do you happen to have any pictures of the bumper from the side?

[forplay]

yeah...sounds like whining to me :psss: :popcorn:
Ain't whining, but it sure is bitch'n.

[r0nin89]

We've killed another month. How are they coming along?

[Chris Geiger]

Well we have received a number of negative posts about the shape and clearance of the rear bumpers along with comments about them not matching the fronts. We are going back to the drawing board and are going to build another rear bumper prototype that more closely matches the front design and look. I expect to be able to post photos in about 2 weeks.

[forplay]

Well we have received a number of negative posts about the shape and clearance of the rear bumpers along with comments about them not matching the fronts. We are going back to the drawing board and are going to build another rear bumper prototype that more closely matches the front design and look. I expect to be able to post photos in about 2 weeks.

What about the front one?

[forplay]

What's up no reply?

[Chris Dunbar]

What's up no reply?

We are re-evaluating the rear bumper look. We will update the forum as we move forward with changes.

[bulzeye]

how much longer until you guys are ready to sell the front bumper?

[forplay]

We are re-evaluating the rear bumper look. We will update the forum as we move forward with changes.

WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REAR BUMPER, WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE FRONT.

[Chris Geiger]

We do not plan to make further changes to the front bumper. We are in the process of building tooling for production.

[Chris Dunbar]

We should be have the first article front bumper in the middle of next week. (about 6-3-077)

We will be sure to take pictures for show and tell.

[forplay]

YA BABY, thats what I wanted to here. How long before you will be excepting orders?

[Loki]

We should be have the first article front bumper in the middle of next week. (about 6-3-077)

is that a type-o or did you really mean 2077 ?!?!? LOL

[bulzeye]

We should be have the first article front bumper in the middle of next week. (about 6-3-077)

We will be sure to take pictures for show and tell.

:cheer:

[Chris Geiger]

The production prototype has been received and we are checking dimensions now.

[forplay]

The production prototype has been received and we are checking dimensions now.

Man Chris, there must be alot of heavy duty demensions to that front bumper, two days of checking?

[ROKNRUNR0351]

Man gents I just registered over here and found this thread. I have read the thread from the start and can't wait for this bumper to come out. I am just glad i haven't had the year standing by that most of you have had. I bought the all pro rear about 1 1/2 years ago. my 4runner is still not ready but i am just about there. I think this front bumper is just what i need I was going to purchase a bender and start going at it. I could not recoup the purchase of the bender in just a front bumper it would take a few projects and in my shape that is not going to happen. So thanks guys for getting more choices to market.

Craig

[forplay]

Man gents I just registered over here and found this thread. I have read the thread from the start and can't wait for this bumper to come out. I am just glad i haven't had the year standing by that most of you have had. I bought the all pro rear about 1 1/2 years ago. my 4runner is still not ready but i am just about there. I think this front bumper is just what i need I was going to purchase a bender and start going at it. I could not recoup the purchase of the bender in just a front bumper it would take a few projects and in my shape that is not going to happen. So thanks guys for getting more choices to market.

Craig

YEA, you maybe waiting quite awile. At this point I don't think we will ever see it. So far its been 5 days just to check dimensions, and that still is'nt done. X2 on the bender, but I think I just may go ahead and get it, if nothing else I 'll use it for the bumper and build an exo cage then sell it. Even if it does show it self soon, they will more that likely have a 2 month waiting list at least.

[Chris Dunbar]

There were a couple of small errors on the front bumper. We need to make another sample that is accurate and then we will run production.

[forplay]

There were a couple of small errors on the front bumper. We need to make another sample that is accurate and then we will run production.

Well Hell, can't we even see a pic of it to see if we like it or not? I mean it would be smarter to show it with some small mistakes, then wait till its right then show it and have the same responce to it as you had to the rear one.

[Loki]

Well Hell, can't we even see a pic of it to see if we like it or not? I mean it would be smarter to show it with some small mistakes, then wait till its right then show it and have the same responce to it as you had to the rear one.

:muted: lol i'm just going to assume (which may bite me later) that since the responses they received for the bumper already was good that they didn't change a whole lot to the front. a lot of people already expressed how much they like the design. I think it will sell. My question is, will these bumpers be available in .120 DOM or just HREW?

Jack

[toyotaman22r]

ya...DOM would be nice.

[eightyfive]

can we get it without a stinger?

or a smaller one, you know, to match ourselves. lol

[forplay]

HOW ABOUT SOME PIC'S?

[Loki]

HOW ABOUT SOME PIC'S?

damn bro...why can't you just chill out and be patient...here...this is the same picture the rest of us are stuck looking at. i'm sure they are going to post some pics of them as soon as they get them ready. just chill
http://www.trail-gear.com/images/tg2006-5321-600.jpg

[forplay]

damn bro...why can't you just chill out and be patient...here...this is the same picture the rest of us are stuck looking at. i'm sure they are going to post some pics of them as soon as they get them ready. just chill
http://www.trail-gear.com/images/tg2006-5321-600.jpg

Ya I saw that, I want to see what its really going to look like, besides who asked you.

[forplay]

this is my front bumper using the TG winch plate.:p :p i had it made my by Daves Off Road in Diamond Springs. i came home and painted it with Hammered paint. it fits perfect with my mile marker 12000 and very sturdy. no trimming grill for winch clearance. and no it doesn't have the gay looking fair lead on it any more got an aluminum on it now.:rockon: it s a copy of the GHOST RUNNERS.:oops: the hoop is level with the top of the hood. my input is add the plates on top it looks better that way.

YA saw that one too, I was going to get that one, but when I heard there was a two month pay in advance waitng time I said f&#k that.

[Loki]

Ya I saw that, I want to see what its really going to look like, besides who asked you.

nobody asked me bro...i told you...you have about 19 posts on this forum and i'm sure more than half of them are in this thread nagging about when they're coming out with the bumpers and if they are able to snap some pics...why don't you drive down to fresno and find out for yourself if you can't wait that long. all these posts of you nagging are getting old.

[forplay]

nobody asked me bro...i told you...you have about 19 posts on this forum and i'm sure more than half of them are in this thread nagging about when they're coming out with the bumpers and if they are able to snap some pics...why don't you drive down to fresno and find out for yourself if you can't wait that long. all these posts of you nagging are getting old.

Like I said who asked you, if you don't like it don't look.

[Chris Geiger]

The new prototype front bumper is identical to the front bumper posted earlier in this thread and posting another photo of it would be redundant.


Loki is one of our Moderators. Please treat him with some respect.

[CSA]

What provisions, if any, will the new bumper have for mounting the turn signals and license plate?

[toyotaman22r]

Like I said who asked you, if you don't like it don't look.


dude, you better chill. loki has seniority here...i'm pretty sure he can ban you if he wants. anyway, i cant wait, just like everyone else. I'd rather have TG take their time and get it perfect before going into production though. They can only work so fast, ya know...

[CSA]

What provisions, if any, will the new bumper have for mounting the turn signals and license plate?

Nevermind, I went back and read some of the earlier posts where Chris stated the production version will have tabs for the turn signals.

[forplay]

The new prototype front bumper is identical to the front bumper posted earlier in this thread and posting another photo of it would be redundant.


Loki is one of our Moderators. Please treat him with some respect.

Great thanks, I was under the impression that there were some changes? As far as your moderator goes, you need a new one.

[ROKNRUNR0351]

Hey gents is there a profile picture of that bumper? I have gone back through the thread and only see the one picture. I am trying to get a better idea of the depth of the bumper for my aproach angle. Obviously i am trying to keep things as tight as possible yet still enough room for the winch so the balance is tough. Like most i am willing to wait for the product that fits the bill and this bumper is close. Also will you be able to order to fit a(1"-3") body lift? or is there one size only? modify as necassary? thanks again


Craig

[Chris Dunbar]

.....will you be able to order to fit a(1"-3") body lift? or is there one size only? modify as necassary? thanks again
Craig

Craig,
We did not design the bumper for body lifts. It is easily modifed to accomodate a body lift though. Geiger might have a profile pic of the bumper. If he does he will post up. We did shove the bumper back as far as possible without haveing to eliminate the grill unless you are using the new Warn winch with the compressor. I am sure you will need to trim if you are running that monster.

[ROKNRUNR0351]

sounds good.I will keep an eye out for that picture if Chris G. is able to post it. I think that new warn is huge and i can't see running it. It seems a bit gimicky (if thats a word) I realize its nice to hace both but it seems like it is taking up so much reality out front. When most people have plenty of room for a small compressor under the hood. I haven't bought my winch yet but i am looking at the new mosfet powered Milemarker or possible the T-Maxx and both of those are slim enough that they will not increase hang over out front. thanks again

Craig

[cheap sunglasses]

As far as your moderator goes, you need a new one.

Are you serious? He was very reasonable with you. If I had the power, I would be banning you right about now. Your attitude is really irritating.

[eightyfive]

i would like to see how big the gap between the bumper and the turn signals, vertically.. i am comparing the gap in the picture post 87yota posted. in his bumper by Daves Off Road the gap looks about 1" or less but in the TG bumper it looks like the gap is like 2-3 inches. but i think the gap looks big because of the angle of the picture.

please if trail gear can provide a picture that is level with the bumper to show how big the gap really is, that would be great.

[toyotaman22r]

x2

Are you serious? He was very reasonable with you. If I had the power, I would be banning you right about now. Your attitude is really irritating.

[eightyfive]

i like your bumper and the TG bumper but i like how your stinger supports are smaller compared to the TG bumper's. it makes the bumper look less massive.

[TOYOTAPARTS]

this is my front bumper using the TG winch plate.:p :p i had it made my by Daves Off Road in Diamond Springs. i came home and painted it with Hammered paint. it fits perfect with my mile marker 12000 and very sturdy. no trimming grill for winch clearance. and no it doesn't have the gay looking fair lead on it any more got an aluminum on it now.:rockon: it s a copy of the GHOST RUNNERS.:oops: the hoop is level with the top of the hood. my input is add the plates on top it looks better that way.

The bumper looks great!! sorry to the others on the wait time...this is the busy season and we are slamed...:thud:

[StillCrawlin]

So when is the Release date for the front bumper???:feed:

PS. 87 YOTA thats a CLEAN runner!!!

[StillCrawlin]

? updates?

[D_Wild]

Oh yea! goin' strong to see if it can take two years to design a bumber! :clap:

[A-D-D]

I fixed your post.

Oh yea! goin' strong to see if it can take two years to design a bumper... while simultaneously engineering (in no particular order): Magnum Six Shooter Knuckles, Six Stud Arms and Magnum Studs; Trail-Link Suspension Kits; Rock Assault Steering Pump Kits, and the 4 different sizes of Rock-Assault Ram Steering assist kits; Creeper Locks Aluminum Beadlocked Wheels (15" size in progress); Trail Creeper Dual case kit with gears; the 12" Long Spline Drive Shaft Kit featuring "All-Spline", and The Creeper Joint; Front Bumper Winch Mount with polished aluminum hawse fairlead; Heavy Duty Chromoly Rear Axles; Creeper Flanges (4340 Chromoly); TG twin sticks; Rock Assault Housings produced in an all new Trail-Gear production assembly facility, which will feature a pair of state-of-the-art, high speed, six-axis automated robotic welders; TG tube doors (in progress) - just to name a few.

Oh wait, that's a lot of gear they're cranking out.....I'm such a turd. :oops:

[Lagen Wagon]

Oh yea! goin' strong to see if it can take two years to design a bumber! :clap:
Listen up smart guy....I'm sure if you could figure out how to mass produce and design a bumper....you would have done it already......right? I'm sure TG just wants to throw out a bumper without getting feed back and critiques before they finalize a product that they feel the customer is happy with. I guess if you dont feel the need to contribute any design ideas.....or changes you could go make your own badass bumper.....Soooooo lets see it.....there Mr Tig welder guy.:popcorn:

[subliminaltrips]

:rockon2:

[toyotaman22r]

I agree lagen. Stuff just doesnt happen overnight.:flame:

[bulzeye]

I fixed your post.

lmao :rolleyes:

[StillCrawlin]

Anything New on the progress or Possible date on the Bumpers.
I am ready to buy a Bumper NOW! would like to give trail-gear a Sell
i have been happy with all the Items i have purchased so far.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa71/ZMan377/DSC00034.jpg

[StillCrawlin]

Just sat it on the ground last night.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa71/ZMan377/DSC00139-1.jpg

[Chris Geiger]

Sorry, nothing new to report.

[TOYOTAPARTS]

That is one clean runner....:thumbs:

[StillCrawlin]

Thanks Dave

[TwistedMetal]

I want one :D

[88toyota]

i like it!!

[TwistedMetal]

I'll take a front bumper, whats the going price on em?

[bulzeye]

if you guys are wanting a bumper quickly you should look at 4xinnovations toy bumpers. i ended up picking one of there bumpers up after being told the trail gear bumper would be released early summer.

they run like 420 shipped as well

[jtrickett3]

i just got a 4xinnovations bumper as well, i am very happy with it, Adam does some good work.

[kamyota]

probably asked this before, but.....any reason alot of stuff isnt released for first gens??? just cause they are harder to find or....? would one of these bumpers work by just welding them on, not using any factory bolt holes and stuff?

[subliminaltrips]

if you notice the 1st gens have a completely different mounting location than the 2nd/3rd gens. you could make it work im sure.

[StillCrawlin]

Any New Dates? Or final bumper pics?

[Chris Geiger]

I do have some new photos to show but I don't have them on this computer. I'll post up tomorrow.

[Chris Geiger]

Here is one of our sample bumpers on Nick's truck. Photo taken at our Christmas party last weekend....

http://www.trail-gear.com/bbs/frontbumper.jpg

[Beno]

That bumpers sick! i would need one on the front of my 4runner

[Beno]

I wont the front bumper off that white toyota thats a badass design

[toyotaman22r]

Nice!!! I like. Do the stinger supports block the headlights though? I cant tell from the angle... On the white truck it doesnt look like they do, but if I recall, that truck has some BL? Cant wait to buy one.

[Chris Dunbar]

Nice!!! I like. Do the stinger supports block the headlights though? I cant tell from the angle... On the white truck it doesnt look like they do, but if I recall, that truck has some BL? Cant wait to buy one.

The stinger supports do not block the headlights.

[jimbo88runner]

i would be interested in one if i could get it without the stinger.

[Chris Dunbar]

i would be interested in one if i could get it without the stinger.

We are going to be making the parts in house for a while so I am sure that is an option.

[toyotaman22r]

speaking of making the parts in house....ummm......when will they be in production?

[Chris Dunbar]

speaking of making the parts in house....ummm......when will they be in production?

We already have all the individual parts made but what takes the time is a jig that will make the parts accurate to our tolerances repeatably. That is what took so long on the rear axle housing.

[boggr834x4]

when you release these bumpers will they be for just 2nd gens or first gens too thanks

[Dirk]

Great design, if its out before next summer I'll buy one. :thumbs:

How about shackle mounts as an extension of the bumpers mount (the flat plate that bolts to the trucks frame)? That way there is no stress at all on the tube. This would work front and rear.

Reciever rear a must, and also nice in the front. its anothe attachement point and as said before very versatile.

Swing away tire carrier is sweet, I plan on one for my pickup.

A jerrycan mount would be nice. Bolt-on option maybe.

And a tab for a CB antenna would be cool also.

Front Bumper winch mount needs to accomodate different style of winches, as mentioned before, with winch protection.

Stinger should be an add-on option. Anyone not rock crawling all the time would have little use for one. Weld on option would be best. If you don't have a welder, there are shops everywhere and it wouldn't cost much to have it welded on.

[toyotaman22r]

Great design, if its out before next summer I'll buy one. :thumbs:

How about shackle mounts as an extension of the bumpers mount (the flat plate that bolts to the trucks frame)? That way there is no stress at all on the tube. This would work front and rear.




huh??? You mean for d-rings or something?

[Dirk]

Yes thats what I am thinking. jus reinforce the mounting plates and drill them to accept a shackle.

[Addicted Offroad]

Yes thats what I am thinking. jus reinforce the mounting plates and drill them to accept a shackle.

That is what the 2" receiver mount is for. A D-ring shackle receiver.

[dtrailtaco]

and will these fit 89-95 pickups. the frame ends are pretty much the same cept for the bumper mounts on the sides of the frame caps. but the plate doesnt look like it wraps around and bolts to any other part of the frame.

sweet design and love the fact that you get a reciever and which mount. and i like the look the the plate and tube together.

:rockon:

[trailhazard]

what about those of us that have body lifts.

[dtrailtaco]

and will these fit 89-95 pickups. the frame ends are pretty much the same cept for the bumper mounts on the sides of the frame caps. but the plate doesnt look like it wraps around and bolts to any other part of the frame.

sweet design and love the fact that you get a reciever and which mount. and i like the look the the plate and tube together.

:rockon:

I know it says on the website the winch plate will only fit up to 88 but there have been folks that have had them on newer ones as well. are any modifications needed to the plate. it doesnt look like much if any are needed.

thanks

:inthedark: bump :sofa:

[Chris Dunbar]

I know it says on the website the winch plate will only fit up to 88 but there have been folks that have had them on newer ones as well. are any modifications needed to the plate. it doesnt look like much if any are needed.

thanks

:inthedark: bump :sofa:

I know on the 2nd gen 4Runners you have to add square tubing for the upper mounting holes because they don't have one available. It should also fit up to 95 pickups.

[dtrailtaco]

:thanks:

[trailhazard]

what about those of us that have body lifts.

bump

[Chris Geiger]

We will not be making body lift versions.

[jimbo88runner]

umm any updates???

[Chris Geiger]

No updates at this time, but I can say that things are progressing well and jigs are being built. Production should begin very soon.